How to Pitch as An Expert with Freelance Journalist Maggie Gillette – Podcast Transcript

Lexie Smith  

Welcome to the pitching and sipping podcast, where we talk PR trends and tips over sips and meet a wide range of incredible founders, PR pros and members of the media. I’m Lexie Smith, a former workaholic VP of PR and marketing turned to time entrepreneur, founder of the PR bar Inc, business NPR coach, new mama and self proclaimed connoisseur of puns, pizza and wine. I’m a huge believer that knowledge is power and kindness never goes out of style. Think of this show as a way to uplevel your business and career over happy hour. Now let’s get to pitching and sipping. Welcome everyone to the pitching and sipping Podcast. Today we are joined by Maggie Gillette. Maggie is a multi talented multi passionate entrepreneur, moderator expert and freelance writer covering the fashion lifestyle and home meets for both print and digital media. She’s written for outlets such as Better Homes and Gardens influenced magazine birdie, Insider, and so much more. Maggie, welcome officially to the show. I always like to start out with where is home base and what do you like to do outside of work for fun. So home base in Chicago, I was in New York for about 10 years and I just moved back last spring I grew up here so wanted to be closer to family outside of work. I spent a lot of time with my toddler.

 

Maggie Gillette  

My husband, I are enjoying getting to know Chicago again exploring the city and I do a lot of reading outside of work. Okay, so we were kind of chit chatting everyone before we hit record but my mom’s from Chicago and my bachelorette party in Chicago in a family in Chicago. So I’m a big fan of Chicago, even though I’m in Southern California, what temperature is it as of February when we are recording this? Thankfully today it’s a warm 26 degrees. It was one degree yesterday when I left to take my toddler to school. So 26 is a huge improvement. 

 

Lexie Smith  

When I I’m sure I’ve mentioned this on the show, I get a lot of crap. I’m from the Pacific Northwest originally from Portland, Oregon, and I now live in Southern California, and I am now cold under 70 degrees and everyone thinks I’m pathetic. I am pathetic. I’m only I’m acclimated but 26 degrees is like Arctic Arctic sounding to me. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

People laugh but even moving from New York to Chicago. Vastly different weather in New York is so much more temperate. It’s so much warmer. Like this is even for me moving back here. It’s been it’s been a little shock this winter. So I understand. Thank you for making me feel validated as a human being. So reading what kind of books do you like to read? I’m guilty pleasure books would definitely be like cozy mysteries at night. That’s what makes the mystery me know everything is gonna be fine. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Okay, okay, so like Reese’s. What? Give me some Do you have any shoutouts? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

I don’t know if I have any really good shout outs right now. I just finished a series that starts with a murder of magpies. And it’s actually it’s about someone who works in publishing in London. And of course, she always finds herself mysteriously in folded all these murders. There you go. But you know, you know, she’s going to be just fine. She’s very lucky heroine, sort of, you know, romance side plot situation, big into true crime. So I’m always looking for recommendations. 

 

Lexie Smith  

So we’re gonna rewind time a little bit. Now, you mentioned you’re in New York, but talk me through high level the steps of your career that came before today. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Sure. So I was actually an education for a while. But I always wanted to be in the fashion industry. I went to London College of Fashion for a summer and did an intensive program. And so I tried to launch a lingerie line in Chicago, it did not work out because there wasn’t the infrastructure here. So I moved to New York City and launched a line there. Additionally, I launched a trade show because there would needed to be like a sort of a small luxury tradeshow for laundry. So I rewatched that with a couple of other designers. And then while I was doing that, I wanted to be more involved in fashion at large. So I interned for New York Fashion Week. And then I started covering New York Fashion Week as a freelance writer for a publication in the UK. And that’s how I got my start with writing. And it just sort of went from there. You know, with the pandemic. It wasn’t a great time to be manufacturing in New York, and it wasn’t a great time to have an in person trade show. I was also pregnant at the same time. So that’s when I really stepped back and decided, you know, let’s look at how I can be part of this industry in a way that’s meaningful, but works for being a mom works for the reality of the changing world and so

 

Maggie Gillette  

I really threw myself into writing and using my expertise to give tips, both on TV and in print as well. So I do kind of both sides of the PR in terms of I do expert advice for articles and television, and I use experts myself when I’m writing articles. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Okay, wow, to so many points of that story. Let me clarify too. So this transition into the writing part of your career, the semi recent was a really prompted by the pandemic? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

well, I’d covered fashion week for about six years. So but that was usually you know, a two times a year, really intensive couple of weeks. And then I expanded from there, I started dabbling a little bit more. But it really went from that, that being like my focus to broadening it to more general fashion and beauty and lifestyle as well. So yeah.

 

Lexie Smith  

Wow. Okay. So today, what is what are you doing? Talk us through, you kind of started but tell us what you’re doing today actively. And this is to set the scene February 2023. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

So I’m actively freelance writing. So you know, I’m juggling multiple articles with that. And then I’m also actively working as an expert. So like, this week, I had an article that I wrote published in on the Better Homes and Gardens website, as well as my expert advice in Forbes, about throwing a football Superbowl party. And as well as coats, expert advice on choosing coats for the trends this season and in style. So you know, that sort of, there’s more than a typical week to have all of those going on at the same time. But that is sort of what I do both both sides of the coin on a pretty weekly basis, and then doing a podcast with you. And then I’m also working on an initiative to help boost the Chicago fashion scene. So yeah, I mean, because we’ve got i as because I had to leave to start my line. And we’re trying to work on it being a situation where like, designers don’t have to choose to leave their home in order to produce the line. So I’m working with a group called the curio, that I’m heading up with another person. And we are really just trying to get Chicago fashion a little bit more on the map and give more resources to local designers. 

 

Lexie Smith  

And you have a toddler, toddler and a dog and a husband. Oh, the husband. I always forget that. No, I’m like, oh, that too. Yeah.

 

Lexie Smith  

Wow. Okay. So yeah, you really do have this unique perspective where you can speak to the source side and the journalist side. And I want to dive into both sides a little bit. And I want to start on the source side, before we go into the journalism side. How are you going about securing or coming across opportunities to offer your expertise as a source? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

So I’m part of a couple of different groups online that put out requests, so I both receive and give requests through like press for success is one of them, run by Sabina Hitchin.

 

Maggie Gillette  

So she’s great, she’s a great resource, I learned a lot about pitching from her. So she’s definitely someone that you should be following on Instagram. Her handle is Sabina knows. So she gives lots of great tips. And as well as like other Facebook groups and stuff that really helps. I know, some people really like HARO. I feel like, that’s a little big, there’s so many people responding to those, and there’s so many coming out, it’s a great resource. But for me personally, with everything else I’m doing, I’ve sort of moved away from targeting them just because it doesn’t seem as time efficient for me personally, which doesn’t mean they’re, you know, not a useful site. They definitely are. And I definitely have gotten placements through them. But yeah, I tried to be a little more targeted, just to be more efficient and get out there.

 

Lexie Smith  

 Not to put you on the spot, but to put you on the spot. Because Facebook groups are an avenue that now since I’ve launched my agency and I’m back in the live pitching world rather than just coaching on the topic I’ve been having to reimburse myself and what are the latest groups and I’m a part of I’m gonna butcher that SARS RS and then there’s another one which which is CZ AR s and then another one called PR friendly sharing ops. Are there any other groups that you suggest as helpful? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

I don’t I don’t have another one. I’m also part of PR friendly sharing apps and I’ve gotten like a ton of really good info from them. I think that group is really great. So those have been my and like I said, I know that press for success has a ton of opportunity. So those have been the main ones that I’ve really worked with. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Awesome. Okay, so what? Sorry, no, no, please. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

On Twitter. If you look up journal requests like hashtag or press request hashtag journal request, you tend to get a lot of stuff from the UK I think just because of the vernacular like that’s but journalrequest or press request, you can definitely find those on Twitter. And those hashtags can give you a lot of info as well. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Yes, great one. And actually, guys, we will throw you a bone and add some of these links to the show notes. So you guys don’t have to go searching down a rabbit hole, but really great resources. Now, once you have a, you’ve identified a source or an opportunity, then a quick or best tips on how to present yourself as an expert in that pitch. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think I sort of have like a little boilerplate now, because that also just helps for the efficiency where it’s like, Hi, I’m Maggie. You know, I’m a fashion and lifestyle style writer and expert. You know, here’s some places that I’ve been featured, here’s some places that I’ve written for. And that way, I have sorted that with the links already in it saved so that I can put that in, and then you know, write the appropriate response before and after targeting the exact request. Also, I mean, read the request. I know that sounds really obvious. But sometimes they get louder. Sometimes you put something out there, and I’ll say, like, you know, I know, I’m gonna get a bunch of requests for this, because it’s very popular, don’t send me a bunch of information. At first, I will email you, if it’s, you know, an appropriate topic. And sometimes people send me and it’s clear, they’ve spent a lot of time working on sending me all this info. And it’s like, that’s not the angle for the article. So even if you’re a great expert, you’re either going to have to do it again. Or I’m going to be like, Oh, they didn’t really listen to the request. So make sure you read the request. But let people know why you’re the expert for this. You know, you don’t have to have like, I work with people who have tons and tons of Instagram followers and have like a public persona for some of these. And I work with people who have small scale, you know, design businesses, home stagers who don’t have like huge audiences. But if they give me great tips and great advice, like, I can use them for articles, they don’t, it’s not necessarily like, having been quoted a million places. It’s about like really knowing your stuff, and being able to provide something that’s valuable for the audience that I’m writing for. So I guess that goes a little more on the writer side, too. But yeah, I mean, making sure that you are answering the questions that are asked, and making sure you let someone know that your credentials and why they should, why they should pick you as someone to be a source for an article. 

 

Lexie Smith  

I know it sounds so simple, guys. But this is something I’ve stood on a soapbox on and preached on every everywhere I can read the directions, read the requirements, and don’t go beyond that. If you aren’t a fit, don’t force it. Right. Don’t waste your time. Don’t waste their time. I couldn’t agree more. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

I’ll tell you what, and I’ve had experts who I may have like, sent a quick DM to someone who I just know a little bit and said, like, Hey, do you want to comment on such and such story. And I’ve had good experts say like, that’s really not something I know a lot about, I’m gonna pass on this opportunity. But please keep me in mind. I had someone who a friend referred me to. And when I reached out, she said, Oh, that was really sweet of her. But I don’t but here are five things I can talk about. So now that I know the next time I need someone for one of these five things, because I write regularly for you know, the same outlets, I can come back to that person. And I definitely have where it’s like I did one this week where wasn’t a fit for the last time I reached out to them. But they sent me their details. And I had one of the exact topics that they told me they can speak on was an article I was assigned, and I reached right back out to them. And they gave me amazing answers. So don’t be afraid if it really like you were saying if it’s really not a fit, don’t force yourself into it build a relationship for a long term. So that you know maybe this is someone you’re going to work with multiple times i One of the journalists who actually both of the journalists who quoted me this week, I’ve already worked with multiple times. So they know that I can give the answers that they need. They know that I’m going to respond in a timely manner. So they’re willing to work with you more than once. So instead of forcing it and possibly burning a bridge, like nurture the relationships so it’s something that’s ongoing and productive for both of you.

 

Lexie Smith  

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Lexie Smith  

Such great advice and a really great strategy to to kind of give them some very specifics on what you can speak to. So to your point, if there’s another article or another opportunity down the line that comes up, you’re top of mind. So you brought up the writing side which is perfect because now I kind of want to tap over. So I can only imagine, you probably are inundated your your email. Language, your inbox is probably overflow overflowing certain days with lots of pitches and requests, how many tips on how to stand out just in the inbox. So even starting at the subject line level. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

I think part of it makes sure you say, if it’s something like design expert, make sure you say that, because when I go back to search, like, if I’ve filled all my things for this week, you know, I kind of like mentally archive them, I don’t delete the emails that get sent. Because someone I might see, oh, that’s a great person, but just not for this. And that that, again, has happened multiple times where I keep them and then you know, or use some key words like outdoor entertaining expert, like inside your email, if that’s one of the things that you speak to.

 

Maggie Gillette  

So you know, the same thing, I had someone who told me that they were a coziness expert. And it did not fit the first article that I was working on. But I actually then was assigned a story about the cozy aesthetic. So I went right back into my email, I was because I was like, ping, I already have someone for this typed in coziness. And she popped up, I emailed her and it ended up being a fit for the article. So make sure that if you have like specific keywords like outdoor entertaining, you know, party planning, whatever it is, that’s your, you know, sustainable fashion, if that’s your your area, make sure you have those keywords in there so that when someone goes back to search through their emails, they can actually find you. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Brilliant, coziness expert, how can I be one of those when I grow up? But actually how that kind of brings me to a question the qualifiers in your mind that make someone an expert, what are you looking for, and it doesn’t need to be this person, we don’t need to call them out. But in general, what what things do qualify someone as a worthy, or a credible source? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

I mean, real life experience for me. You know, I think that that’s one of those things, if I can go to your website or your Instagram and see, oh, you do XY and Z things on a daily basis, I can see this you use, you know, lighting in such a way you’ve used mirrors, I have done multiple articles on mirrors. And for some of them, I was literally just looking through Instagram to see some designers didn’t were doing anything cool. So I could reach out to them. So having like that social aspect or that WebSite X aspect to back it up. Because if I, I mean, anyone can say they’re an expert, but it really helps to be able to go and see, you know, a link to your portfolio. You know, things like that, so that I can easily see like, okay, this person is saying they’re an expert, but I can click here and see oh, wow, they really are a great designer. They’ve got some great things going on. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Perfect. Oh, yeah, look at this wonderful, you know, these wonderful quotes they gave to another person, okay, they can really give me some valuable information. Those are great tips on a different topic. I’m sure they’ll give great tips on this one as well. So that sort of like social proof or written proof really helps i It’s harder when you’re starting out, I understand that. So that’s why something like you know, seeing it on Instagram that like if you’re telling me, you know, you’re an expert home stager, but there’s nothing that you can show me, I can’t really, that’s gonna be very hard for me to sell you as an expert, or even just didn’t personally know that you’re an expert. So having those sorts of things that you can reference, even if it’s just your Instagram account, even if it’s just a blog that you wrote.

 

Maggie Gillette  

So showing me something that tells me you know, what you’re talking about, so that you can actually help provide something valuable to the readers. Because ultimately, that’s what you’re looking to do as a writer. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Social proof, just like pulling that word out for everyone is so so important. And yarn journalism and sales in so many different categories across the life in business. It’s really, really great point. I’m curious to how, okay, so do you find it, I’m going to I’m actually going to give you a really specific hypothetical, but not really hypothetical use case. So if a founder of a company is reaching out to provide expertise on a topic, this is something I see commonly, they really like their goal, right is to somehow get their company mentioned, I do find that there’s a fine line between providing expertise and authentically getting that company roped in without being Oh, I guess you have any kind of general advice or guidelines or ways you suggest people going about how to effectively give you advice but still potentially get what they’re after, which is a company mentioned. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Sure. I mean, first of all, when I quote someone, I always ask how they want to be quoted. So if I’m writing an article, it’ll say so and so the founder of such and such So I usually get that like, out of the way and link to their site, if it’s online. So that way, they have that right up front. So it doesn’t have to be so like, drop your name a whole bunch of times. And a lot of times that that does become, if it’s, if it’s too much, it can become tough, because it doesn’t, I’m not, it’s not an article necessarily about your company. If I’m writing an article about your company, then great, it can you can mention your company name 50 times, because that’s what the article is about. But if you’re giving expert advice, you know, show your expertise. And we’ll link to your website, you don’t have to say, you know, I always say what the person does. So you don’t have to make it all about your site. And you might, if it’s organic, you can mention it a few times.

 

Maggie Gillette  

And I’ve actually had people mentioned other people’s businesses, because I was doing a topic and they said, Oh, this is a great place to get this. And that was just genuine advice. And I was able to call out this other small business, no problem, because it really worked in what we were talking about. But you don’t want it to feel like you’re just forcing your your company’s name over and over in the in the quotes. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Totally agree. I’ve I’ve dabbled in the journalism side myself. And I’ve used Haro to collect sources. And when it comes through, and it’s literally, they’ve kind of answered my question, but then there’s a paragraph really about why their companies the best, it’s like, you’re just missing it just missing the mark there. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

So yeah, you know, and it’s, and it’s okay, it like I said, like I had someone who was like, there are apps, including mine that do XY and Z things. And that was okay. You know, there’s is a fine line to tread. So it is tough. But yeah, I mean, if you if it makes it, it’s not an it’s not an infomercial, about your company. So it is about building credibility as an expert versus simply getting your company name out there. So it’s a tough line, because we all want to get you want to get pressed for your company. Of course, we understand that. But, you know.

 

Lexie Smith  

another question. And then I want to kind of pivot my I guess my last question on this topic is someone self pitching themselves as an expert versus a publicist pitching one of their clients as an expert? Does it make a difference to you?

 

Maggie Gillette  

No.

 

Lexie Smith  

 I think that’s good to hear. That’s a question I get a lot.

 

Maggie Gillette  

 I think as long as the pitch is professional, I’m just as happy to work with an individual as I am with a publicist, I get emails from both. And for me, it doesn’t matter. You know, and I’ll even say like, I kind of thought when I was first starting, that maybe I would get more polished quotes from people who had PR and publicists behind them. And I’m not always finding that to be the case.

 

Maggie Gillette  

You know, I’m getting, I’m getting some really, I got some amazing quotes from just an individual yesterday, who’s like a friend of a friend, but who’s a real credible expert.

 

Maggie Gillette  

And I, I’ve gotten people were, I thought their PR person forwarded this to me, the PR person really should have said,

 

Maggie Gillette  

Hold up. Let’s, let’s look at these before we just forward them on to the writer, because should know, sentences. And it’s really hard to quote, sentence fragments, it makes it makes my job a lot harder if it you know, you kind of want to talk and those like sound bites, so that you can say, you know, oh, the best way to install picture lighting is XY and Z, instead of just saying things like, hook it to the wall.

 

Maggie Gillette  

That’s, you know, because then I have to get it out all the the wording around it, and sometimes it reads awkwardly if you don’t have a little more polish to it. So yeah, no, it doesn’t matter to me. 

 

Lexie Smith  

I think that’s really helpful to hear. And I get different, different answers on the show. When I asked that question. I think the general through line that I see is as long as the person inside the inbox knows what they’re doing, and it’s done in the correct way, then. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Yeah, yeah, I get amazing quotes from individuals, I get amazing quotes from PR people and publicists, and I get not great ones from both sides, too. So it really, as long as like you said, it’s a credible person. That’s all that matters to me. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Awesome. Okay. So on that note, I want to go into a little bit of what I call preferential rapidfire. wrong answers. I’m just going to ask you kind of short What do you prefer, again, on the receiving side of things, so I always want to be like the person at the racetrack with the flag. Are you ready? On your marks? Okay. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Do you prefer a certain day of the week to be pitched? No. No. Okay. certain time of day. 

 

Maggie Gillette  

No.

 

Lexie Smith  

How do you feel about follow ups?

 

Maggie Gillette  

follow ups are fine, not more than one. If. Yeah, because like you said, we get a ton of stuff in our in back boxes. I’m sayin If you if it was good, even if it wasn’t appropriate for this article, I’m saving it. So if you follow up once, maybe because I was busy, but usually if you’re a Fed, I’ll get back to you. If not, I’m saving you for another time and lengthen between that first outreach and that follow up couple of days a week. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Do you have a preference there? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

A couple days is fine. Less than 24 hours is pretty tough. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Yeah, for sure. Um, do you want people when because I know you do a lot of product roundups, is it a requirement for them to have affiliate links set up?

 

Maggie Gillette  

I don’t I actually don’t do a ton of product roundups. SoI know most people do prefer product links or affiliate links, though. 

 

Lexie Smith  

So but that’s the world photos and assets.  How important are they in a pitch?

 

Maggie Gillette  

It depends. It totally depends on the pitch. If it’s, yeah, totally. But if you’re pitching a product, I need to see something if you’re pitching your expertise, not necessarily. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Okay. And so my last question is sliding into your social DMS yes or no? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

I’m fine with it. 

 

Lexie Smith  

You are fine with it, which social channels are your preference? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Instagram, I’ve gotten people who slip slide in. And a lot of times, I will actually pop up if I’ve got like a really short lead time article. I’ll pop something up on my Instagram stories. I did it this week for two different things. And I got great feedback from like, friends of friends that somebody forwarded on to so I actually have no problem with that. I know not everyone likes it. But I use I use my Instagram more as a business Instagram. So well. 

 

Lexie Smith  

That’s why these are preferential no right or wrong. Because guys like news alert everyone, all every journalist is a human being, meaning they’re allowed to have their own likes and dislikes. So it’s helpful to hear. So it is again guys, February of 2023. I’m curious, Maggie in the upcoming foreseeable quarters. Are there anything you’re actively working on that? You want to hear people from people on? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Sure, I’m actually doing more beauty and fashion pitches coming up? Particularly beauty. So if you’ve got like a new product launch, if there’s something I should know about? You can email me or DM me on Instagram. Especially Instagram is also really great for that. Because then I can click right onto you and see, what do you do? So for me, I like that because that’s like really fast and easy. And I always have my phone on me. 

 

Lexie Smith  

So actually, that brings up one more preferential question mailers if you’re going to do something in the beauty space, and it is product based, do you want to receive that product? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

You know, it depends. If I’m, I also sometimes write about products that I already know, because like I want to feel like I’m genuinely connected to it. So like I pitched a couple with like some of my personal favorites. So I don’t need a mailer for them because like, I pitched him an article about like the blush that I’m wearing right now, because it’s my favorite.

 

Maggie Gillette  

But mailers always check first because, you know, some things you know, you never know what if someone uses a product or if they they’re interested in it. So definitely check before you send anyone a mailer. And I know I know that you had ally will ask you on who is also big on the please don’t send me something without checking first 

 

Lexie Smith  

a lot of people are and those not media are maybe surprised by that, that people don’t just want free stuff. But can you only imagine guys sitting on the other end how much that can pile up? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Well, and not just that like having run a small business. Like if I know something is not a fit for me. I don’t want a small business to send spend money sending me something that I’m not going to use or I’m definitely not going to cover in a story like it’s not I don’t I don’t want them to waste that like especially small businesses. It’s not as you know, critical if it’s like Revlon but like, you know, if you if you’re a small business, save your money, I’d rather have you use it for someone who’s definitely going to write about you then, you know, sending it to me and having me say Oh, this is just going to sit on my bathroom counter. It’s pretty but I don’t use x, y and z. So 

 

Lexie Smith  

well you’re an amazing person and for every small business out there I think I say a big thank you for everyone because that is a that is hard. Inventory is hard and mail shipping these days shipping is super expensive.

 

Lexie Smith  

Okay, so guys are really excited now that this is a video podcast that I get to bring in this mug when I asked this question. So first and just if you are listening to this on a podcast form without video, go to YouTube, because clearly seeing my mug is worth it. So we’ve talked Pichon now I gotta ask what we can find you sipping so what is your favorite beverage alcoholic or non alcoholic? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Well, I’m definitely sipping coffee right now since it’s 1030 in the morning. I too. I have my mug just off screen. So yeah, I have a big coffee mug right now. That is my lifeblood. I cannot start my day without a big cup of coffee. So that’s definitely

 

Maggie Gillette  

My morning and then No, I like a glass of wine every now and again. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Okay, so do you have a specific coffee drink? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

I drink coffee with just a little milk. I used to drink it black but now that I have a toddler, I always have milk in the house. So I just shake the splash of milk, pretty simple. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Okay, and then type of wine.

 

Maggie Gillette  

I like Chardonnay and I like Cabernet. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Perfect classics love them good choices. So last question before I let you get back to all the million of things that you do in the world. Where can people connect with you if they want to want to reach out if they want to pitch you if they want to say how awesome you were on this show? Where should they go? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

They can reach me my email which is mags ma je s Gillette G I ll e TT e@gmail.com, or at the Maggie Gillette on Instagram. Unfortunately, Maggie Gillette was already taken. So I had to edit the which feels a little pretentious, but like there wasn’t really another choice cipher adding like random numbers and then I looked like a spam account. So I 

 

Lexie Smith  

Okay, I have it’s Lexie Smith and the Lexie Smith because Lexie Smith is famous bread artist. And so everything I have has to happen it’s or that so I so feel you I always feel like the Lexie Smith sounds so, so pretentious. But anyway, yeah, I was like, what’s the other option? So like, why are five comma dot right? 

 

Maggie Gillette  

Yeah, right. And then and then everyone’s gonna be like, this isn’t a real person. Yes, I totally understand. 

 

Lexie Smith  

Well, thank you, Maggie so much for pitching and sipping. Today guys, here’s my request for you reach out to Maggie and thank her for all the incredible advice she just shared. This has been invaluable. And until next time, one more little mug shots. I’m really excited about it. Thank you for joining us on the pitching and sipping podcast.

 

Lexie Smith  

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